There was a point, not terribly long ago, when Travis Scott was a well-known rapper. You knew his songs, you were familiar with his look, you’d marveled at the videos and you’d definitely jumped up and down at a party — while nailing every ad-lib — to “Antidote.” A great deal of his allure, however, was what you didn’t know about him. He seemed unreachable, unattainable — Travis, often crouched in a corner like a gargoyle, hand over face, looking down.

To some degree, that’s still true. But one significant thing has changed — Travis Scott is a superstar. He’s at the stage in his career where his live performances are a seemingly never-ending flurry of songs you know. And speaking of never-ending, the energy of his live shows.

Standing in the crowd for his performance at Jordan Brand’s community event, I felt like I was at a rap show and a rock show and a pop show and a metal show. And when you throw in his giant trademark bird that watches over the stage, flapping its gigantic wings, it feels like the circus. And then when you add in the confetti and the pyrotechnics, it feels like you just triumphed in battle, while also winning the Championship.

After watching all of this, I found Travis, in his trailer. I was exhausted having just watched him, but he still had energy to chat, about his beloved team, about Jordan, and about his touring photographer Ray.

Browne: Houston. It’s funny, even though y’all had the 90s moment, Houston often loses sports. I’m from Atlanta. We lose sports all the time. What’s it like to get excited about a player, about a team, after years and years and years of not having much to be excited about?

Scott: It’s been my drive. Every day it’s been my influence. Inspiration for just everything. Just to see Houston even in conversations. Just finding myself in sports. And you know, just seeing players locked in. You know what I’m saying? Trying to always see how the home team’s doing.

Browne: Yeah. So since I’ve been at All-Star, talking to players and musicians and designers, the common thread is still that crazy feeling of being connected, at all, to Jordan. Does that ever get boring for you?

Scott: Hell no. I wouldn’t be doing it if it got boring. I’m always trying to learn new information, find some new creative outlet, a new way to get off your creative frustration.

Browne: Absolutely.

Scott: So you know whether it’s arts and crafts, shoes, sports, music, theater, movies — Anything I can do that gives me that creative rush is good. I don’t consider that work.

Browne: That’s great.

Scott: Pre-calculus is kind of work. This — this doesn’t feel like work.

Browne: One more thing — a week ago I met this photographer named RaysCorruptedMind — your tour photographer, that’s standing right there, taking photos of us. He didn’t talk to me that much in the beginning but now we’re really chatty — maybe homies, even. How do you feel about him as an artist and as someone whose had a great come up of late and clearly takes his shit seriously. Like, why do you like having him in your team?

Scott: Oh, you said that he a genius?

Browne: I did not say that.

Scott: [Laughs] It’s a whole lot of corruption. Everything is corrupted. I’m all for corruption. Just causing creative corruption.

Browne: How did you ya’ll find each other?

Scott: Well, one of the dudes that shot my first album cover is actually a really good friend. But then I saw one of Ray’s pictures on Instagram and I was like, “Yo man.”

I told my friend, “You know what, I’m actually gonna stop messing with you because I found this new kid I can get with.” He’s like, “Oh word” And I was like, “Alright well, can you leave me with him, man?”. And he’s like, “yeah.” So he came on tour. It was great.